Investment Myths Busted

Re: Investment Myths Busted

Postby LenaHuat » Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:39 pm

Hi MM
U've written an excellent piece. There is a Hasidic saying that goes like this :
There are 2 kinds of rebbes who experience the cold of winter. One buys a heavy coat, the other lights a fire. The first warms only himself, the second provides warmth for all who wish to draw near to his fire.
I can see that U are a fire-lighter armed with a heavy coat :lol:

On a serious note :
Be sure you are in the correct 30years .

Your writing brings up so well the merits of learning from history. Not that history will repeat but that history, like genes, is often unpredictable. We do not always get 7 good years followed by 7 lean years. We can get 18 leans years followed by 18 good years :lol:

Prof Daniel Kahneman, father of behavioural economics, was profiled in BT's Raffles Conversation and this extract is revelant here :
Mr Kahneman, who won the Nobel prize for economics in 2002 and teaches at Princeton University, is widely credited - together with his collaborator for some 30 years, the late Amos Tversky of Stanford - as being the founder of behavioural economics.

One of the insights of this relatively new discipline is that when it comes to making decisions, people are often not the selfish, rational, far-sighted, 'profit maximisers' that mainstream economists assume them to be - and which forms the basis for many policy prescriptions.

'There are domains in which rationality provides a good approximation of behaviour, but there are other domains in which it is not even close,' explains Prof Kahneman. 'For example, individuals' attitudes to savings - at least in the US - are completely irrational, and there is a need for policy intervention to enhance rationality.'


A million thks for this light in the cold and fear of a bear market. And intervention to enhance rationality.
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Re: Investment Myths Busted

Postby helios » Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:02 am

millionairemind wrote:Second, if an individual invests passively for about 30 years, in the belief that the market will deliver its average long-term return, that individual doesn’t necessarily have the odds or history on their side. A 30-year period may include a protracted bear market. It isn’t easy to hit a big-picture average by taking a portion of the whole. Ignoring dividends, if you had bought the Dow Jones index in 1965/66, do you know how long you would have had to wait to get your money back? Nearly seventeen years! That's right. The Dow first touched 1,000 points in January 1966 and then fell back. It never got back to 1,000 points until October 1982.

If you had bought near the top in 1929, do you know how long you would have had to wait for stock prices to get back to pre-crash levels? Twenty-five years! Yep, it was 1954 before the Dow put in a new high.

Be VERY CAREFUL who in the FUN industry is trying to hoodwink you into believing that the mkt averages 10% return a year... Be sure you are in the correct 30years


dear MM ge,

i think, there is an opportunity cost [loss factor] on the funds invested against timeline [of 30 years]. Say, e dividend, interest rate, and business cycle too.

ie. 30 years is more than sufficient for one to setup his own business and recontribute back [GDP, Jobs] to the society.
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Re: Investment Myths Busted

Postby millionairemind » Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:19 am

Lena Jie,

Glad you like the piece... I pieced together the information and grabbed the charts from various sources on the web as well as some of my tots thrown in.

I am just holding a small little matchstick, standing at one corner on the HUATOPEDIA STREETS with my thin little coat, trying to find a candle, still... all the while listening to the song..Light My Fire by Shirley Bassey :D

Huat Huat 2008 ar!!!

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Re: Investment Myths Busted

Postby la papillion » Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:34 am

Hi mm,

Excellent post you made there :)

I agree fully with you. The fun industry always say that sacred phrase "not timing the market, but time in the market" and keep quoting the 10% equities return for long term. When I'm approached by agents trying to sell me something, I'll question them more (esp when I'm in a rather bad mood and I'm free). Most will crumble when probed further.

What's worst - these agents will spread the idea that these 'professionals' who manage the fund can do a better job than us. Sure, take a look at all these funds, and see how many will beat just the index funds.
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Re: Investment Myths Busted

Postby LenaHuat » Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:35 am

Hi MM

Yo, what candle. U've got a candelabrum and soon a menorah :lol: .
I mean forumers are bunching together pretty well here and I can see the sparks from "c" and "m" illuminating huatopaedia. A million thks to La Pap who is also generously contributing his time here.
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Re: Investment Myths Busted

Postby la papillion » Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:48 am

LenaHuat wrote:Hi MM

Yo, what candle. U've got a candelabrum and soon a menorah :lol: .
I mean forumers are bunching together pretty well here and I can see the sparks from "c" and "m" illuminating huatopaedia. A million thks to La Pap who is also generously contributing his time here.


Haha, Lena, don't say huatopaedia leh, sounds like paedophile like that :) haha! I'll just bouncing my ideas here to everyone here, trying to catch some echoes of their thoughts :)
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Re: Investment Myths Busted

Postby LenaHuat » Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:56 am

Hi La Pap

Yo, it's like " encyclopædia" in its traditional form. Ishak who is "99" will understand lor :lol: .
It's difficult for me to re-learn what I had been taught during the British imperialist era.
But will try :lol:
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Re: Investment Myths Busted

Postby ishak » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:03 am

LenaHuat wrote:Hi La Pap

Yo, it's like " encyclopædia" in its traditional form. Ishak who is "99" will understand lor :lol: .
It's difficult for me to re-learn what I had been taught during the British imperialist era.
But will try :lol:


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Re: Investment Myths Busted

Postby kennynah » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:08 am

wah your hokkien...power ah :!:
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Re: Investment Myths Busted

Postby HengHeng » Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:08 am

hmmm those that can do , do the work .. those that can't do all the talking.

You don't see warren buffett appearing on t.v everyday to tell you how to trade neither do you see geoge soros doing the same thing though he wrote alot of books recently.

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