Decoupling Concept

Re: Decoupling Concept

Postby kennynah » Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:30 am

I'm starting to move towards the camp that thinks that the Emerging Markets may actually be able to decouple from the Developed World:-


we are all intertwined.... no man is an island....

we will never "decouple" from one another....our symbiotic relationship will coexist forever
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Re: Decoupling Concept

Postby lithium » Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:56 pm

winston wrote:TOL:-

I'm starting to move towards the camp that thinks that the Emerging Markets may actually be able to decouple from the Developed World:-

1) As long as the Developed World does not enter a "Great Depression", I think the growth will continue in the "Emerging Markets".

2) As long as there's no crash in the US, the inflows into Emerging markets may continue
And where would the money for this inflow be from ? How about US Bonds ?

3) And maybe this time the consumers of the Emerging Markets may actually be able to replace some of the slack from the Developed World.

4) And maybe the rest of the slack can be replaced by Intra-Emerging markets trade.


Or would there be outflow from Emerging Markets back to the Developed World ?
1) Corporate Governance issues and
2) High Valuation in Emerging Markets


There you go, found your catalyst. Start buying leh :D
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Re: Decoupling Concept

Postby winston » Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:13 pm

lithium wrote: There you go, found your catalyst. Start buying leh :D


Ha Ha ... I dont think the above is a catalyst. It's just an observation. And it could be wrong, as the "experts" have been saying that the Developing Markets cannot replace the demand of the Developed World...

Having said that, I think it's safe to buy when you see something that you like, that's trading at a "fair price".

So "M" is not important to me at this point in time, compare to "N".
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Re: Decoupling Concept

Postby lithium » Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:54 pm

W bro, I worry you will miss the boat leh :cry:
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Re: Decoupling Concept

Postby winston » Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:12 pm

lithium wrote:W bro, I worry you will miss the boat leh :cry:


Ha Ha ... why worry ? I only buy when I see something that I like, that I think is trading at a fair price.

I dont like to chase or follow the crowd. On Sunday, when I write my investment blog, you will know that I have also been shopping this week ;)
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Re: Decoupling Concept

Postby winston » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:18 am

This could be the most important story of the decade for American investors

Wall Street economists are reviving a bet that the global economy will withstand the U.S. slowdown.

Just three years since America began dragging the world into its deepest recession in seven decades, Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Credit Suisse Holdings USA Inc., and BofA Merrill Lynch Global Research are forecasting that this time will be different.

Goldman Sachs predicts worldwide growth will slow 0.2 percentage point to 4.6 percent in 2011, even as expansion in the U.S. falls to 1.8 percent from 2.6 percent.

Underpinning their analysis is the view that international reliance on U.S. trade has diminished and is too small to spread the lingering effects of America's housing bust. Providing the U.S. pain doesn't roil financial markets as it did in the credit crisis, Goldman Sachs expects a weakening dollar, higher bond yields outside the U.S., and stronger emerging-market equities.

"So long as it doesn't turn to flu, the world can withstand a cold from the U.S.," Ethan Harris, head of developed-markets economic research in New York at BofA Merrill Lynch, said in a telephone interview. He predicts the U.S. will expand 1.8 percent next year, compared with 3.9 percent globally.

IMF chief economist Olivier Blanchard last month predicted "positive but low growth in advanced countries," while developing nations expand at a "very high" rate. He will release revised forecasts on Oct. 6.

'Partially Decoupled'

"The world has already become partially decoupled," Nobel laureate Joseph Stiglitz, a professor at New York's Columbia University, said in a Sept. 20 interview in Zurich. He will speak at an IMF event this week.

Emerging-Markets 'Outperformance'

The gap in growth rates between the developing and advanced worlds is widening, he said. Emerging economies will account for about 60 percent of global expansion this year and next, up from about 25 percent a decade ago, according to his estimates.

The main reason for the divergence: "Direct transmission from a U.S. slowdown to other economies through exports is just not large enough to spread a U.S. demand problem globally," Goldman Sachs economists Dominic Wilson and Stacy Carlson wrote in a Sept. 22 report entitled "If the U.S. sneezes..."

Take the so-called BRIC countries of Brazil, Russia, India, and China. While exports account for almost 20 percent of their gross domestic product, sales to the U.S. compose less than 5 percent of GDP, according to their estimates.

That means even if U.S. growth slowed 2 percent, the drag on these four countries would be about 0.1 percentage point, the economists reckon. Developed economies including the U.K., Germany, and Japan also have limited exposure, they said.

Room to Grow

Economies outside the U.S. have room to grow that the U.S. doesn't, partly because of its outsized slump in house prices, Wilson and Carlson said. The drop of almost 35 percent is more than twice as large as the worst declines in the rest of the Group of 10 industrial nations, they found.

The risk to the decoupling wager is a repeat of 2008, when the U.S. property bubble burst and then morphed into a global credit and banking shock that ricocheted around the world. For now, Goldman Sachs's index of U.S. financial conditions signals that bond and stock markets aren't stressed by the U.S. outlook.

Goldman Sachs isn't alone in making the case for decoupling. Harris at BofA Merrill Lynch said he didn't buy the argument prior to the financial crisis. Now he believes global growth is strong enough to offer a "handkerchief" to the U.S. as it suffers a "growth recession" of weak expansion and rising unemployment, he said.

Giving him confidence is his calculation that the U.S. share of global GDP has shrunk to about 24 percent from 31 percent in 2000. He also notes that, unlike the U.S., many countries avoided asset bubbles, kept their banking systems sound, and improved their trade and budget positions.

'Act Countercyclically'

"Emerging economies kept their powder relatively dry, and are, for the most part, in a position where they could act countercyclically if needed," the HSBC group said.

Stephen Roach, nonexecutive Asia chairman for Morgan Stanley, remains skeptical of decoupling. He links the optimism to a snapback in global trade from a record 11 percent slide in 2009. As that fades amid sluggish demand from advanced economies, emerging markets that rely on exports for strength will "face renewed and formidable headwinds," he said.

The Goldman Sachs economists argue history is on their side. The U.K., Australia, and Canada all continued growing amid the U.S. recession of 2001 as the technology-stock bust passed them by, while America's 2006-2007 housing slowdown inflicted little pain outside its borders, they said. The shift came when the latter morphed into a financial crisis, prompting Goldman Sachs to declare in December 2007 that 2008 would be the "year of recoupling."

The argument finds favor with Neal Soss, New York-based chief economist at Credit Suisse. While the supply of dollars and letters of credit that fuel international commerce dried up during the turmoil, that isn't a problem now, so the rest of the world can cope with a weaker U.S., he said.

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Re: Decoupling Concept

Postby winston » Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:20 am

Employers in Asia, with Japan as a possible exception, are aggressively recruiting, according to a poll of 1,000 companies in July-August this year.

The tight labour market is driving up pay and workers are hopping from job to job to get the most benefits.

Source: Business Times
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Re: Decoupling Concept

Postby kennynah » Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:47 am

this report is late....employers here in singapore have been recruiting since early this year and the pace have increased since....
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Re: Decoupling Concept

Postby winston » Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:03 am

TOL:-

1) When the Developed Markets (DM) are doing well, the Emerging Markets (EM )would do well due to the exports from EM to DM.

2) IF the EM are doing well, it does not mean that the DM wil also do well as Domestic Consumption plays a bigger role in the DM.

3) Intra-Emerging Markets trade and EM Domestic Consumption, supposedly can replace some of the demand from the DM

4) The stock markets of the EM follows the direction of the US Markets but not the other way around.

5) Strong GDP growth does not equal to a strong stock market eg. China


Conclusion:-

I need to remind myself that a stronger US economy or a stronger US stock market, does not really mean that my EM stocks would also be strong.

Money may flow back to the DM from the EM, as the Valuation on EM stocks are not that cheap anymore.

What do u think ?
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Re: Decoupling Concept

Postby profittaker » Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:31 pm

Hi winston, I feel current theme now is:

US positive growth
Euro expect negative event to unfold
China growth but expectation on tightening
Japan little growth with high monetary stimulus, expect currency to fall.

Seems like US Market is getting more interest and yen carry trade will fuel the movement for a while.

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