Life 09 (Oct 10 - Dec 10)

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Postby winston » Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:09 am

Observation is not detachment

A mind that is indifferent, is aware of the shoddiness of our civilization, the shoddiness of our thought, the ugly relationships; it is aware of the street, of the beauty of a tree, or of a lovely face, a smile; and it neither denies it nor accepts it, but merely observes - not intellectually, not coldly, but with that warm affectionate indifference.

Observation is not detachment, because there is no attachment. It is only when the mind is attached - to your house, to the family, to some job - , that you talk about detachment.

But, you know, when you are indifferent, there is a sweetness to it, there is a perfume to it, there is a quality of tremendous energy this may not be the meaning of that word in the dictionary.

One has to be indifferent - to health, to loneliness, to what people say or do not say; indifferent whether you succeed or do not succeed; indifferent to authority.

Now, if you observe, you hear somebody is shooting, making a lot of noise with a gun. You can very easily get used to it; probably you have already got used to it, and you turn a deaf ear - that is not indifference.

Indifference comes into being when you listen to that noise with no resistance, go with that noise, ride on that noise infinitely. Then that noise does not affect you, does not pervert you, does not make you indifferent.

Then you listen to every noise in the world - the noise of your children, of your wife, of the birds, the noise of the chatter the politicians make - , you listen to it completely with indifference and therefore with understanding.

- J. Krishnamurti Bombay 6th Public Talk 7th March 1962


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Re: Life 09 (Oct 10 - Dec 10)

Postby winston » Mon Dec 13, 2010 4:04 pm

Why is it important to train the mind and senses well, young and early?

A cart can move only when two bullocks are yoked to it. And it can move safely only when the animals are trained to walk on roads and pull carts.

Instead, if they have never stepped out of their shed, or if they have always moved only round and round the post to which they have been tied, the bullock cart cannot proceed!

So also, the cart of inner consciousness cannot move by itself; it must be attached to the bullocks of intelligence and mind, and made to follow their tracks.

But, prior to the journey, the bullocks - intelligence and mind - should be conversant with the road to the village that the inner consciousness is eager to reach.

They must be trained to proceed in that direction. If this is done, the journey will be easy and safe.

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Re: Life 09 (Oct 10 - Dec 10)

Postby winston » Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:48 am

Find out what you really feel and think

In talking to groups of listeners all over the world, I find that more and more people seem not to understand what I am saying, because they come with fixed ideas; they listen with their biased attitude, without trying to find out what I have to say, but only expecting to find what they secretly desire.

It is vain to say, "Here is a new ideal after which I must mould myself." Rather find out what you really feel and think. How can you find out what you really feel and think?

From my point of view, you can do that only by being aware of your whole life. Then you will discover to what extent you are a slave to your ideals, and by discovering that, you will see that you have created ideals merely for your consolation.

- J. Krishnamurti Alpino, Italy 1st Public Talk 1st July, 1933 The Collected Works Volume II


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Re: Life 09 (Oct 10 - Dec 10)

Postby winston » Wed Dec 15, 2010 7:46 am

Why should we follow the Holy Path at all times, whatever we may do?

If you tread the holy path of truth, righteousness, peace, and love, the Divine Himself will bestow on you, all that is needed and deserved! That will give you peace of mind.

Offer everything to the Divine without any desire for the result; that indeed yields complete joy; that is indeed the easiest!

It is very easy to utter the truth and walk the path of righteousness. It is a very pleasant task to speak out the thing just as it is; one need not spend a moment of thought upon it.

To speak of what is not, one has to create the non-existent! It also plunges one into fear and fantasy, into an atmosphere of restlessness and worry.

So, instead of following sensory actions which offer all these troubles and complications, follow actions that liberate - the path of Inner Bliss which is true, eternal, and holy.


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Re: Life 09 (Oct 10 - Dec 10)

Postby winston » Wed Dec 15, 2010 12:33 pm

Help them to be intelligent


Question: Which is the wiser course to take - to protect and shelter the ignorant by advice and guidance, or to let them find out through their own experience and suffering, even though it may take them a whole lifetime to extricate themselves from the effects of such experience and suffering?


Krishnamurti: I would say neither; I would say help them to be intelligent, which is quite a different thing.

When you want to guide and protect the ignorant, you are really giving them a shelter which you have created for yourself. And to take the opposite point of view, that is, to let them drift through experiences, is equally foolish.

But we can help another by true education - not this modern disease we call education, this passing through examinations and universities. I don't call that education at all. It is merely stultifying the mind. But that is a different question.

If we can help another to become intelligent, that is all we need do. But that is the most difficult thing in the world, for intelligence does not offer shelter from the struggles and turmoils of life, nor does it give comfort; it only creates understanding.

Intelligence is free,untrammelled, without fear or superficiality. We can help another to free himself from acquisitiveness, from the many illusions and hindrances which bind him, only when we begin to free ourselves.

But we have this extraordinary attitude of wanting to improve the masses, while we ourselves are still ignorant, still caught up in superstition, in acquisitiveness.

When we begin to free ourselves, then we shall help another naturally and truly.

- The Collected Works Volume II Adyar 6th Public Talk 3rd January, 1934


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Re: Life 09 (Oct 10 - Dec 10)

Postby winston » Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:12 pm

You have to write down your addictions.

An addiction is holding on to the old moment because it has a time component to it.

You repeated it in the past and you will do it again.

The addictions may change from one thing to another, but the addiction remains.

Most addictions are to food, sex, power.

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Re: Life 09 (Oct 10 - Dec 10)

Postby winston » Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:49 am

What is the sublime message of the Scriptures?

Developing faith in the Inner Self Principle and loving it earnestly is true worship.

There is only one Divine Self. Feel that it is more loveable than any object here or hereafter—that is the true adoration you can offer to the Divine.

This is what the Scriptures teach. The Scriptures do not teach the acceptance of a bundle of frightfully hard rules and restrictions. They do not hold before you a prison house where man is shut in by the bars of cause and effect.

They teach us that there is One who is the Sovereign behind all these rules and restrictions, One who is the core of each object, each unit of energy, each particle or atom and One under whose orders alone the five elements—ether, air, fire, water and earth—operate. Love Him, adore Him, worship Him - this is the grand philosophy of Love as elaborated in the Scriptures.


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Re: Life 09 (Oct 10 - Dec 10)

Postby winston » Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:39 am

There is no path to truth

When you speak of a path to truth, it implies that truth, this living reality, is not in the present, but somewhere in the distance, somewhere in the future.

Now to me, truth is fulfillment, and to fulfillment there can be no path.

So it seems, to me at least, that the first illusion in which you are caught is this desire for assurance, this desire for certainty, this inquiry after a path, a way, a mode of living whereby you can attain the desired goal, which is truth.

Your conviction that truth exists only in the distant future implies imitation. When you inquire what truth is, you are really asking to be told the path which leads to truth.

Then you want to know which system to follow, which mode, which discipline, to help you on the way to truth. But to me there is no path to truth; truth is not to be understood through any system, through any path.

A path implies a goal, a static end, and therefore a conditioning of the mind and the heart by that end, which necessarily demands discipline, control, acquisitiveness.

This discipline, this control, becomes a burden; it robs you of freedom and conditions your action in daily life.

Inquiry after truth implies a goal, a static end, which you are seeking. And that you are seeking a goal shows that your mind is searching for assurance, certainty.

To attain this certainty, mind desires a path, a system, a method which it can follow, and this assurance you think to find by conditioning mind and heart through self-discipline, self-control, suppression.

But truth is a reality that cannot be understood by following any path. Truth is not a conditioning, a shaping of the mind and heart, but a constant fulfillment, a fulfillment in action.

That you inquire after truth implies that you believe in a path to truth, and this is the first illusion in which you are caught.

- The Collected Works Volume I Adyar 5th Public Talk 2nd January, 1934


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Re: Life 09 (Oct 10 - Dec 10)

Postby winston » Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:07 am

Why is it important to engage in good deeds, sow and brew good thoughts?

The confusing influence of illusion, is the consequence of one’s accumulated activities in previous lives. You can escape illusion and ignorance through good consequence.

If good activity has marked previous lives, any sinful tendency will and can be overwhelmed by virtuous tendencies in this life.

You will have faith in Divinity and you will attach yourself to the Divine and spend your life on the basis of the Divine.

On the other hand, those who have committed horrible crimes in past lives have the dreadful darkened vision, and it prevents them from seeing the Divine. Such a person is never reminded of the Divine and His handiwork, never yearns for his own good and the good of others.

They see things in false perspective. They revel in wickedness, and engage in vicious acts


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Re: Life 09 (Oct 10 - Dec 10)

Postby winston » Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:34 pm

Simplicity of life comes with inner richness

Simple life does not consist in the mere possession of a few things but in the freedom from possession and non-possession, in the indifference to things that comes with deep understanding.

Merely to renounce things in order to reach greater happiness, greater joy that is promised, is to seek reward which limits thought and prevents it from flowering and discovering reality.

To control thought-feeling for a greater reward, for a greater result, is to make it petty, ignorant and sorrowful.

Simplicity of life comes with inner richness, with inward freedom from craving, with freedom from acquisitiveness, from addiction, from distraction.

From this simple life there comes that necessary one-pointedness which is not the outcome of self-enclosing concentration but of extensional awareness and meditative understanding.

Simple life is not the result of outward circumstances; contentment with little comes with the riches of inward understanding.

If you depend on circumstances to make you satisfied with life then you will create misery and chaos, for then you are a plaything of environment, and it is only when circumstances are transcended through understanding that there is order and clarity.

To be constantly aware of the process of acquisitiveness, of addiction, of distraction, brings freedom from them and so there is a true and simple life.

- The Collected Works Volume III Ojai 8th Public Talk 2nd July, 1944

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