Life 08 (Jul 10 - Sep 10)

Re: Life 08 (Jul 10 - Sep 10)

Postby winston » Fri Sep 17, 2010 6:42 am

We never have this feeling of wholeness

You see we never see the world as a whole because we are so fragmented, we are so terribly limited, so petty.

And we never have this feeling of wholeness, you follow, where the things of the sea, things of the earth, the nature and the sky, is the universe, is part of us.

Not imagined - you can go off in some kind of fanciful imagination and imagine that we are the universe, then you become cuckoo!

But, to break down this small self-centred interest, to have nothing of that, then from there you can move infinitely. And meditation is this.

- Brockwood Park 4th Public Talk 4th September 1983

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Re: Life 08 (Jul 10 - Sep 10)

Postby winston » Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:10 am

What is death?

What is death? Surely, it is the complete cessation of everything that you have known.

If it is not the cessation of everything you have known, it is not death. If you know death already, then you have nothing to be frightened of. But do you know death?

That is, can you while living put an end to this everlasting struggle to find in the impermanent something that will continue?

Can you know the unknowable, that state which we call death, while living? Can you put aside all the descriptions of what happens after death which you have read in books, or which your unconscious desire for comfort dictates, and taste or experience that state, which must be extraordinary, now?

If that state can be experienced now, then living and dying are the same.

- Collected Works, Ojai 6th Public Talk 21st July 1955

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Re: Life 08 (Jul 10 - Sep 10)

Postby winston » Sat Sep 18, 2010 12:00 pm

Is to err a natural human trait?

Many feel that it is human to err and that the Divine should forgive their lapses.

In fact, if they were truly human, they should not commit mistakes at all. Even if sometimes a mistake is committed, willingly or unwillingly, it should not be repeated.

It is a grievous error to think that it is natural for a human being to err. To follow the directives of the senses is the mark of an animal. To be guided by the Inner Self is the sign of a human being.

None should attempt to justify his or her weaknesses and lapses as natural to a human being; they should be regarded as signs of mental debility.

When you have truly acquired sense-control, you will experience the power of the Divine in you.

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Re: Life 08 (Jul 10 - Sep 10)

Postby winston » Sun Sep 19, 2010 6:43 am

To deny all morality is to be moral

To deny all morality is to be moral, for the accepted morality is the morality of respectability, and I'm afraid we all crave to be respected - which is to be recognised as good citizens in a rotten society.

Respectability is very profitable and ensures you a good job and a steady income. The accepted morality of greed, envy and hate is the way of the establishment.

When you totally deny all this, not with your lips but with your heart, then you are really moral. For this morality springs out of love and not out of any motive of profit, of achievement, of place in the hierarchy.

There cannot be this love if you belong to a society in which you want to find fame, recognition, a position.

Since there is no love in this, its morality is immorality. When you deny all this from the very bottom of your heart, then there is a virtue that is encompassed by love.

- The Only Revolution Europe Part 12

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Re: Life 08 (Jul 10 - Sep 10)

Postby winston » Sun Sep 19, 2010 3:37 pm

What exactly is spirituality?

What is spirituality? It is the resolute pursuit of cosmic consciousness.

Spirituality aims at enabling a person to manifest in all its fullness, the Divine Cosmic Consciousness that is present both within and outside oneself.

It means getting rid of one’s animal nature and developing the divine tendencies in one's personality.

It connotes breaking down the barriers between Divine and Nature and establishing their essential oneness.

Today, people think that spirituality has no relation to mundane life, and vice versa; this is a big mistake. True divinity is a combination of spirituality and social obligations.

National unity and social harmony are founded upon spirituality. It is the Divine that links spirituality and social existence.

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Re: Life 08 (Jul 10 - Sep 10)

Postby winston » Mon Sep 20, 2010 7:30 am

Coming into contact with Death

If you are really serious, to find out the implications of death, then you have to come into contact with that fact of death, actually come into contact with it - not theoretically, not as something which you have got to face, therefore let's face it, but rather by coming directly into contact with it, by dying.

Dying - I mean by that word, coming to the end of all the things that you have known psychologically, your experiences, your pleasures, to die - every day.

Otherwise, you will never know what death is; for it is only in the dying that there is something new, not in continuing the old.

Most of us are so weighed down by the known, by the yesterday, by the memories, by the `me', the `self', which is but a bundle of memories accumulated yesterday, having no actual existence in itself.

Die to those memories; actually die to a pleasure without any argument. If you know what it means to die to a pleasure, to something that you have taken great pleasure in - without argument, without postponement, without any sense of resentment, bitterness - that is what is going to happen when you do die.

And to die every day, to everything that you have gathered psychologically, is to be totally reborn. If you do not die in that way, then you have the continual problem of this memory that you have accumulated as the `me' and the self-centred activity that we indulge in - the thought of `my' house, `my' family, `my' book, `my' fame, `my' loneliness - you know, that little entity that moves around incessantly within itself, with its own limited pattern of existence.

Will that continue? - you understand? - that is the problem we have. Either one knows how to die every day, and dying actually, the mind is fresh, instant, eager, tremendously alive, or, there is this bundle of memories, of self-centred activity, with all its thoughts, searching for fulfilment, wanting to be somebody, imitating, copying.

That whole network of thought - will that continue? - yet that is what we want to continue. We say, at the least, if I haven't fulfilled in this life, perhaps I will in the next.

- J. Krishnamurti Talks in Europe 1967


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Re: Life 08 (Jul 10 - Sep 10)

Postby winston » Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:16 pm

We all have hearts, but what exactly is this heart and where is it?

Everyone is endowed with a spiritual heart. When you fill your heart with love and compassion, peace will reign supreme in the world.

There will be no jealousy, hatred or anger, but only love everywhere. Restlessness will disappear from the face of the earth.

One who has filled his heart with compassion will always remain in peace. It is most essential to know this truth.

People mistake "spiritual heart" for the physical heart but truly it represents the all-pervasive Inner Self principle.

So you should keep your heart absolutely pure and sacred.

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Re: Life 08 (Jul 10 - Sep 10)

Postby winston » Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:11 am

Do Masters exist?

You want to know whether Masters exist..... as long as mind is caught up in belief, there is no understanding, there is no freedom.

So to me, whether or not Masters exist is quite irrelevant to action, to fulfillment, with which we should concern ourselves.

Even though their existence be a fact, it is of no importance; for to understand you must be independent, you must stand by yourself, completely naked, stripped of all security.

This is what I said in my introductory talk. You must find out whether you are seeking security, comfort, or whether you are seeking understanding.

If you really examine your own hearts, most of you will find that you are seeking security, comfort, places of safety, and in that search you provide yourselves with philosophies, gurus, systems of self-discipline; thus you are thwarting, continually narrowing down thought.

In your efforts to escape from fear, you are entrenching yourselves in beliefs, and thereby increasing your own self-consciousness, your own egotism; you have merely grown more subtle, more cunning.

- Adyar 3rd Public Talk 31st December, 1933

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Re: Life 08 (Jul 10 - Sep 10)

Postby winston » Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:32 pm

Be happy right at this moment.
~ Dr. Pillai
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Re: Life 08 (Jul 10 - Sep 10)

Postby winston » Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:50 am

Security

If one can find an absolute guarantee of security, then one has fear of nothing.

If one can be certain of anything, then fear ceases wholly, fear either of the present or of the future. Therefore we are always seeking security, consciously or unconsciously, security that eventually becomes our exclusive possession.

Now there is physical security which, in the present state of civilization, a man can amass through his cunning, his cleverness, through exploitation. Physically he may thus make himself secure, while emotionally he turns for security to so-called love, which is for the most part possessiveness; he turns to the egoistic emotional distinctions of family, of friends, and of nationality.

Then there is the constant search for mental security in ideas, in beliefs, in the pursuit of virtue, systems, certainties, and socalled knowledge. So we entrench ourselves continually; through possessiveness we build around ourselves securities, comforts, and try to feel assured, safe, certain. That is what we are constantly doing.

But though we entrench ourselves behind the securities of knowledge, virtue, love, possession, though we build up many certainties, we are but building on sand, for the waves of life are constantly beating against their foundations, laying open the structures that we have so carefully and sedulously built.

Experiences come, one after another, which destroy all previous knowledge, all previous certainties, and all our securities are swept away, scattered like chaff before the wind.
So, though we may think that we are secure, we live in continual fear of death, fear of change and loss, fear of revolution, fear of gnawing uncertainty.

We are constantly aware of the transiency of thought. We have built up innumerable walls behind which we seek security and comfort, but fear is still gnawing at our hearts and minds. So we continually look for substitution, and that substitution becomes our goal, our aim.

We say, "This belief has proved to be of no value, so let me turn to another set of beliefs, another set of ideas, another philosophy." Our doubt ends merely in substitution, not in the questioning of belief itself.

It is not doubt that questions, but the desire for securities. Hence your so-called search for truth becomes merely a search for more permanent securities, and you accept as your teacher, your guide, anyone who offers to give you absolute security, certainty, comfort.

That is how it is with most people. We want and we search. We try to analyze the substitutes which others suggest to take the place of the securities which we know and which are steadily being eaten away, corroded, by the experience of life.

- Adyar 3rd Public Talk 31st December, 1933, Collected Works

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