Life 08 (Jul 10 - Sep 10)

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Postby winston » Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:00 pm

Why should we treat work as worship?

The scriptures are as affectionate to us as a mother is. They teach lessons as a mother does to her children, in conformity with the level of intelligence and according to the needs of time and circumstance.

A mother with two children gives the strong and healthy one every item of food for which it clamours, but she takes great care not to overfeed the ailing child and gives it only those items that can restore it soon to good health.

Can we, on that account, accuse her of being partial to one and prejudiced against the other in conferring love?

The scriptures draw the attention to the secret and value of work. Work can improve life and set its ideals aright. Everyone must be instructed on how to transform work into beneficial activity.

Yet, work is not all; it is only the means to the end. Advocacy of work is not the chief goal of the scriptures.

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Re: Life 08 (Jul 10 - Sep 10)

Postby winston » Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:13 am

What is an effective way to earn respect in society?

We may not always be able to know the reasons for our faith. It originates and is shaped by our personal likes and dislikes, our dominant feelings.

But we must not become the target for anger, hatred, jealousy and the evil deeds they lead us into.

We must cultivate broad, inclusive feelings. Only then are you entitled to acquire higher learning and you will earn respect in society.

You must keep far away from narrow selfish thoughts, feelings and plans.

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Re: Life 08 (Jul 10 - Sep 10)

Postby winston » Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:11 pm

To die is to know what love is

We discussed 'need' the other day. We do need certain physical comforts, food and shelter; but to make psychological demands on life means that you are begging, that you are afraid.

It requires an intense energy to stand alone. To understand this is not a matter of thinking about it. There is understanding only when there is no choice, no judgment, but merely observation.

To die each day means not to carry over from yesterday all your ambitions, grievances, your memories of fulfilment, your grudges, your hatred.

Most of us wither away, but that is not dying. To die is to know what love is. Love has no continuity, no tomorrow. The picture of a person on the wall, the image, in your mind - that is not love, it is merely memory.

As love is the unknown, so death is the unknown. And to enter the unknown, which is death and love, one must first die to the known. Then only is the mind fresh, young and innocent; and in that there is no death.

- Paris 7th Public Talk 19th September 1961 , Collected Works Volume XII


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Re: Life 08 (Jul 10 - Sep 10)

Postby winston » Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:55 am

What is a simple yet powerful tool in our journey to the Divine?

Withdraw your mind from worldly thoughts and fix it on the Name of the Lord, who charms all hearts.

Listen to the wisdom of the Divine with all your heart. There is no activity holier than that.

There can be no greater spiritual exercise or discipline or vow. The human body is a worthy boat.

The story of Divine is the rudder in this world of constant change. He is the boatman who will safely ferry you across the sea of birth and death.


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Re: Life 08 (Jul 10 - Sep 10)

Postby winston » Wed Sep 29, 2010 1:47 pm

Creative Movement

Action is this movement which is itself thought and emotion, as I explained.

This action is the relationship between the individual and society. It is conduct, work cooperation, which we call fulfillment.

That is, when mind is functioning without seeking a culmination, a goal, and therefore thinking creatively, that thinking is action, which is the relationship between the individual and society.

Now, if this movement of thought is clear, simple, direct, spontaneous, profound, then there is no conflict in the individual against society, for action then is the very expression of this living, creative movement.

- Talks and Answers to Questions by Krishnamurti Ojai Camp 3 1934

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Re: Life 08 (Jul 10 - Sep 10)

Postby winston » Wed Sep 29, 2010 2:03 pm

Spiritual versus Material are not the choices.

Everything about this physical manifestational experience is spiritual. It is all the end product of spirit. You have nothing to prove. Be the spiritual you and create like a physical fiend.

--- Abraham

Excerpted from the workshop in Virginia Beach, VA on Saturday, April 12th, 1997 #577

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Re: Life 08 (Jul 10 - Sep 10)

Postby winston » Wed Sep 29, 2010 6:15 pm

"Real unselfishness consists in sharing the interests of others."

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Re: Life 08 (Jul 10 - Sep 10)

Postby winston » Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:57 am

What is the root cause of anxiety and calamity?

The root cause of all anxieties and calamities of man is envy. We can find from the Scriptures. Envy is invariably accompanied by hatred.

These two are twin villains. They are poisonous pests. They attack the very roots of one’s personality.

A tree may be resplendent with flowers and fruits. But when the inimical worms set to work on the roots, imagine what happens to the splendour! Even as we look on admiringly at its beauty, the flowers fade, the fruits fall off and the leaves turn yellow and are scattered by the wind. At last, the tree itself dries up, it dies and falls.

So too, when envy and hatred infect the heart and set to work, however intelligent and highly educated the individual may be, he falls. He is turned into an enemy of society. He becomes the target of ridicule because he is no longer human!

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Re: Life 08 (Jul 10 - Sep 10)

Postby kennynah » Thu Sep 30, 2010 12:39 pm

What is the root cause of anxiety and calamity?

The root cause of all anxieties and calamities of man is envy


i wont agree it is envy that causes anxiety....rather it might be the sense of helplessness....

knowing that the people in power can screw you in anytime they want and you can't do anything about it....causes anxiety...

not knowing if the next generation will be able to afford a roof over their head....becos some idiot has been idling at his job....causes anxiety....

not knowing the meaning and privileges of a citizenry, causes anxiety...

having 2 casinos in a 1600sqkm country causes anxiety...

anything but envy..... causes anxiety...
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Re: Life 08 (Jul 10 - Sep 10)

Postby winston » Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:36 pm

Self-knowledge is not the product of will.

He spoke at length of God, of his morning and evening prayers, of his fasts, his vows, his burning desires. He expressed himself very clearly and definitely, there was no hesitation for the right word; his mind was well trained, for his profession demanded it.

He was a bright-eyed and alert man, though there was a certain rigidity about him. Obstinacy of purpose and absence of pliability were shown in the way he held his body. He was obviously driven by an extraordinarily powerful will, and though he smiled easily his will was ever on the alert, watchful and dominant.

He was very regular in his daily life, and he broke his established habits only by sanction of the will. Without will, he said, there could be no virtue; will was essential to break down evil. The battle between good and evil was everlasting, and will alone held evil at bay.

He had a gentle side too, for he would look at the lawn and the gay flowers, and smile; but he never let his mind wander beyond the pattern of will and its action. Though he sedulously avoided harsh words, anger and any show of impatience, his will made him strangely violent.

If beauty fitted into the pattern of his purpose, he would accept it; but there always lurked the fear of sensuality, whose ache he tried to contain. He was well read and urbane, and his will went with him like his shadow.

Sincerity can never be simple; sincerity is the breeding ground of the will, and will cannot uncover the ways of the self. Self-knowledge is not the product of will; selfknowledge comes into being through awareness of the moment-by moment responses to the movement of life.

Will shuts off these spontaneous responses, which alone reveal the structure of the self. Will is the very essence of desire; and to the understanding of desire, will becomes a hindrance. Will in any form, whether of the upper mind or of the deep-rooted desires, can never be passive; and it is only in passivity, in alert silence, that truth can be.

Conflict is always between desires, at whatever level the desires may be placed. The strengthening of one desire in opposition to the others only breeds further resistance, and this resistance is will.

Understanding can never come through resistance. What is important is to understand desire, and not to overcome one desire by another.

- J. Krishnamurti Commentaries on Living Series I, Satisfaction

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