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Re: Car

Postby millionairemind » Fri Mar 26, 2010 8:34 am

Musicwhiz wrote:Car prices rising, property hitting new highs. No wonder cost of living in Singapore just keeps going up and up! :?

24-year old teacher can afford a S$60,000 car? Sometimes I am quite surprised by this kind of news. You really have so much savings at 24 years old? :shock:


MW - A couple of possibilities.

1. She was born with a silver spoon. There are alot of Singaporeans that come from wealthy families and money is really the last thing on their mind.

2. For working folks like you and me with no inheritance :( , she is living way beyond her means if she just depends on a teacher salary. A beginning NIE trained teacher gets about $3K/month.

3. She is a great trader. Made bundles of money during last year's bull run. ;)
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Re: Car

Postby kanglc » Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:47 am

It could be a combination of the above. Father sponsored some money, take loan, small down payment. But why Chevy? For 60k, why not a used toyata/nissan?

>The 24-year-old school teacher bought a Chevrolet Cruze 1.6 for about $60,000 two Saturdays ago. Chevy prices have gone up twice since, and the same car is now about $70,000. 'I think I'm quite lucky,' Ms Lee said. 'It'd be quite hard to secure a car once the COE quota cut sets in.'
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Re: Car

Postby Musicwhiz » Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:34 pm

Hi MM,

I tend to think it's probably silver spoon, or even platinum spoon! Haha.

Yes, but as kanglc said, why a Chevy? It is really a "sexy" car? :?
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Re: Car

Postby Musicwhiz » Sun Apr 04, 2010 8:47 am

Apr 4, 2010
End of the road for budget cars?

Rising COE premiums are set to hit sales of budget brands most, say industry experts
By Christopher Tan, Senior Correspondent

It has happened before. Sky-high COE premiums 'kill off' cheap new cars but send buyers to upmarket brands.

Certificates of entitlement (COEs) for cars are now between $28,000 and $42,000 - at least $15,000 costlier than average premiums last year.

And they are poised to go higher still, say motor traders and industry watchers.

Also likely to be hit are parallel imports. The sale of off-peak cars - those with red plates and subject to restricted use - which the Government has been encouraging, may dive too.

But the used cars business, which was in the doldrums while COEs were plentiful and prices were 'low', is set for a revival.

The chief reason for the mixed fortunes, as far as new vehicles are concerned, are the dealers' profit margins.

Budget brands - such as those from China, Malaysia and even South Korea - have thinner margins to bid for COEs. The parallel importers too.

Hence, as COE premiums rise, this component of a car's sticker price becomes disproportionately larger.

So, although all new car prices would have gone up, budget buyers will be priced out as COE premiums climb.

A 1990s phenomenon might return: The more established and premium brands hogging the top sellers' list.

In 1996, when COE prices were in the $45,000 to $50,000 region, Mercedes-Benz was No. 2, behind bestseller Toyota.

In recent years, with the relatively low COE prices, Mercedes slipped to the lower half of the top 10 billing.

Mr Zafar Momin, a lecturer at Nanyang Business School, foresees a repeat of this phenomenon of 'shrinking mid- to budget brands'.

'But this time round, I am not sure we'll see outright market leadership by the premium brands over others, in terms of volume,' said Mr Momin, a former automotive expert with the Boston Consulting Group.

Still, he believes the premium brands will shine simply because there are more affluent buyers today than in the 1990s.

Veteran motoring writer Winston Lee said: 'With rising COE premiums, it is hard to imagine budget brands doing well.

'First to suffer would be the ultra budget brands like Geely, Hafei, Chery and the like. COEs would cost more than three times the open-market value of these cheap cars.

'Buyers of premium brands have deeper wallets, so a COE premium rise of $20,000 or more is relatively less painful.'

He added that a COE, no matter how costly, forms a smaller percentage of the overall cost of a luxury car than a budget car.

'Better respected Japanese brands like Honda and Toyota too would do reasonably okay,' Dr Lee added.

He said these makes might benefit from potential buyers of entry-level premium marques who 'downgrade' in the face of rising prices.

Motor traders concur. 'Marginal brands will be wiped out,' declared Automotive Importers and Exporters Association president Neo Nam Heng. 'The export market will also be smaller, as many used cars will stay in the local secondary market.'

Mr Eddie Loo, managing director of used car dealer CarTimes, said many parallel importers will switch to selling used cars as the competition for COEs hots up.

Ms Jeslin Teo, chief executive of Fiat agent TTS Eurocars, is now more bullish about the prospects for new European cars here.

'People will prefer to buy a better car when COE prices are high. It's more worth it,' she said, noting that European cars of late have become more competitive because of the relatively weaker euro.

She said some models from Fiat and Volkswagen today are priced almost as low as some Korean models.

She too feels that Chinese car sales will sputter. The Chana brand from China is sold by associate company TTS Chana.

But Mr Kevin Kwee, executive director of Group Exklusiv, which represents Geely, among other Chinese makes, is not about to lose hope. 'It will be tougher, so we will have to be more imaginative in the way we market our cars,' he said.

Looking at the bigger picture, transport researcher Lee Der Horng of the National University of Singapore said the COE premium uptrend could lead to some frustration among certain buyers.

'Those who can afford high COE premiums may not necessarily need a car; and those who need a car may not be able to afford one.'

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Re: Car

Postby iam802 » Sun Apr 04, 2010 11:43 am

Musicwhiz wrote:Apr 4, 2010
End of the road for budget cars?

Rising COE premiums are set to hit sales of budget brands most, say industry experts
By Christopher Tan, Senior Correspondent

It has happened before. Sky-high COE premiums 'kill off' cheap new cars but send buyers to upmarket brands.

Certificates of entitlement (COEs) for cars are now between $28,000 and $42,000 - at least $15,000 costlier than average premiums last year.

And they are poised to go higher still, say motor traders and industry watchers.

Also likely to be hit are parallel imports. The sale of off-peak cars - those with red plates and subject to restricted use - which the Government has been encouraging, may dive too.

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In terms of overall volume. Yes. Because those who are budget conscious will not be buying cars at such high COE.

But, the govt. is trying to get people to switch to off-peak cars as well.

The reason is simple. They know that the public transport system cannot take the load if everyone uses it.

eg. 1 working adult taking MRT at peak hour during weekday to work.
Come to weekend, it will be 1 entire family (of 3, 4, or even 5) taking the MRT during peak hour.

Do you think the public system can handle it? Unlikely. That is why the off-peak car usage have been tweaked before the changes in COE.
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Re: Car

Postby kennynah » Sun Apr 04, 2010 3:30 pm

It maybe necessary to strategically replan n build new road systems in Singapore; think Tokyo
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Re: Car

Postby millionairemind » Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:34 am

All this report does is generate fear. Expect $50K COEs soon because of kiasu Singaporeans and the gahmen laughing all the way to the bank. This easily covers up the losses from our UBS investments. :roll:

Published April 7, 2010

COE supply this year may be 50% of 2009's

Down to 1999 levels - but COE premiums could soar, with much bigger car population


By SAMUEL EE

(SINGAPORE) This year's new car registrations could plunge to levels not seen since 1999, but certificate of entitlement (COE) premiums would be way higher than what they were 11 years ago because of a bigger car population.

In 2009, the maximum COE quota size for passenger cars was 71,000 although only 68,862 cars were actually registered. This year, in a worst-case scenario, the number of car COEs could contract by half to just 34,762 - lower than 1999's new car registrations of 36,183 units.

There will be one major difference from 1999 though: the COE premium. Back then, the peak for a COE that could be used for registering a passenger car was $53,000. But with today's demand significantly higher than what it was in the late 1990s, conventional wisdom says COE premiums should surge far beyond that level.

One reason is that today's car population is 50 per cent bigger than what it was 11 years ago, which implies 50 per cent more replacement demand. In 1999, the car population was about 383,000 units; at the end of 2009, it was nearly 580,000.

In the best-case scenario, this year's total registrations for new cars could be as much as 44,000, or 36 per cent less than 2009's total. Everything depends on the COE quota to be announced by the government for the August 2010 to January 2011 period.

This is because the number of COEs from January to July 2010 has been announced. In the first three months of this year, there were 4,827 COEs per month or a total of 14,481 from the three categories that could be used to register a passenger car - Category A (for small cars), Cat B (big cars) and Cat E (the open category).

For the April-July period, the relevant monthly figure is 3,214 or a total of 12,856. If the status quo for the remaining five months of 2010 is maintained - that is, at 3,214 COEs per month - motorists can look forward to the release of 16,070 certificates until the year-end. This would mean a 2010 total of 43,407, near 44,000.

But since future half-yearly quotas of COEs will now be determined largely by the actual number of vehicles deregistered in the preceding six-month period (that is, the quota beginning in August 2010 depends on January-February 2010's scrappage), this figure could well be an optimistic one.

This is because deregistrations from January to February this year are falling, and if the trend continues, it means the amount of recycled COEs for the second half of 2010 could be much less than the 3,214 per month currently being released.

Assuming that used car dealers cut their monthly deregistrations by half because climbing COE premiums mean more attractive second-hand car prices, and using rough assumptions of COE allocation for the passenger car categories - plus other adjustments for over-projections in preceding years - the monthly quota from August onwards could be as low as 481 Cat A COEs, 491 Cat B, and 513 Cat E. This comes up to 1,485 COEs per month or a total of 7,425 for the last five months of 2010.

If this happens, the 2010 total will amount to just 34,762 - about half of the 68,862 new cars put on the road last year.

'The sharp decline in deregistrations could set in as early as March,' said one car distributor. The March 2010 deregistration statistics will be released by the Land Transport Authority (LTA) in the middle of this month.

The car distributor explained that used car dealers have already jacked up the prices of their second- hand cars in line with the upward-moving COE premiums.

'This means they have stopped deregistering their stock and are hoping to get better prices on the resale market,' he said.

He explained that the dealers' inventory consists mainly of 2004 and older vehicles - cars with higher paper value that would otherwise have been scrapped and recycled into new COEs.

'Cars registered in 2005 and later have lower paper value. They are unlikely to be scrapped anyway since they still have five more years left,' he added. 'It all points to a declining deregistration rate.'
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Re: Car

Postby winston » Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:40 am

Do you all buy a car every year ? :lol: :roll: :P
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Re: Car

Postby millionairemind » Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:45 am

winston wrote:Do you all buy a car every year ? :lol: :roll: :P


COE lasts only 10yrs..

But judging from my circle of friends, most change a new car every 3 years. :D
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Re: Car

Postby winston » Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:50 am

That's what I mean. People can wait even if they want to buy a new car.
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