China Cosco 1919

Re: China Cosco 1919

Postby winston » Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:41 pm

Dear stilicon,

Welcome !

I've looked into the Interim Report as well as the Annual report of the company.

I think you are correct. The dividend should be 1.9% and not 9.1%.

Anyway, I've already wrote in to UOB-Kay Hian, to ask for an explaination from that Analyst. I will post their reply here as soon as I receive it.

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Re: China Cosco 1919

Postby stilicon » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:40 pm

Many thanks in advance, Wilson. Your dedication and activity in this forum amazes me. It is by far the best-run financial forum I ever came across.
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Re: China Cosco 1919

Postby LenaHuat » Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:42 pm

Yes, many Thank Qs to Wilson too.
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Re: China Cosco 1919

Postby winston » Sat Sep 20, 2008 10:10 am

Not vested.

China Cosco May Gain on Ship Supply, Construction By Wendy Leung

Sept. 19 (Bloomberg) -- Reinforced steel bars litter the ground in eastern Shanghai, where migrant workers in blue and orange uniforms are building a UFO-shaped performance center for the city's 2010 World Expo.

The building will use 20,000 tons of steel. In addition, China is constructing the world's largest shipbuilding center, the longest high-speed railway and the biggest port.

That demand may help China Cosco Holdings Co., operator of the world's largest dry-bulk shipping fleet, rebound from a 45 percent slump. The decline followed the government's July 30 closings of plants and construction sites to clear air pollution for the Olympics. Bulk cargo rates also dropped 41 percent as the moves damped imports of iron ore, a key steel ingredient.

Shipments may now surge as Shougang Corp. and other steelmakers resume production with the Sept. 21 end to restrictions. Delays in ship deliveries may also support leasing rates for container ships and bulk carriers, which have dropped because of the global economic slowdown.

``There is no slowdown in demand for raw materials in China,'' said Mona Chung, who manages $2 billion at Daiwa Asset Management Ltd. in Hong Kong. She declined to comment on whether she owns China Cosco stock. ``Sentiment on China Cosco will definitely improve as the Baltic Dry Index rebounds.'' The index is a measure of commodity-shipping rates.

Shares Jump

China Cosco rose the most since the shares started trading in Hong Kong in 2005. The stock jumped 26 percent to HK$9.94.

The shipping line may almost double to HK$19 in the next 12 months, according to Morgan Stanley analyst Sophie Loh, who rates the shares a buy.

That would contradict four of the five analysts tracked by Bloomberg whose recommendations on China Cosco produced the highest returns for investors in the past year. They rate the company ``hold'' or ``sell.''

Overall, 24 of 29 analysts surveyed advise buying the stock, four say hold and one recommends selling.

China Cosco, which also runs the country's largest container line, dropped 60 percent in the last 12 months. The decline makes it the cheapest stock in the Hang Seng China Enterprises Index relative to this year's estimated earnings.

Cheap Stock

The shipper is the world's second-biggest by market value after Copenhagen-based A.P. Moller-Maersk A/S. China Cosco is priced at 3.3 times this year's estimated earnings, compared with the average price-earnings ratio of 15.3 for the 42 mainland companies listed in Hong Kong that make up the index.

Maersk trades at 9.5 times estimated profit.

Among the top five analysts who track China Cosco, Thomas Kim of Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Kenny Tang of Tung Tai Securities Co. recommend holding the shares. Osbert Tang of ABN Amro Asia Ltd. says sell and Johnson Man Leung of JPMorgan Securities Ltd. advises buying.

``There could be buying opportunities,'' said Binay Chandgothia, who oversees $2 billion of assets at Principal Asset Management Asia in Hong Kong. ``If you look at the market prices, they may be over-pessimistic.''

The shipping industry may benefit from tightening credit markets caused by the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. as limited financing for new ships may prevent overcapacity. Roslyn Ji, an analyst at Core Pacific-Yamaichi International Ltd. said in Beijing. The market meltdown will not stop construction in China, she said.

Shipbuilding Delays

Global shipyards may miss as much as 19 percent of deliveries scheduled and delays will increase to as much as 39 percent next year, Citigroup Inc. analyst Lee Sokje said on Sept. 9. The problem will be more severe in China, with more than half of scheduled deliveries late in 2009 because of a lack of skilled workers and key parts, Lee said.

``It will help relieve the pressure if deliveries are delayed next year,'' Ji said. ``Even though the rates have dropped, they are still at high levels.''

China, the world's fastest-growing economy, is buying more raw materials for urbanization and industrialization. China's steel production may rise 9.4 percent to 535 million metric tons this year, while demand may increase 14 percent in the second half, China Iron and Steel Association said in July.

China Cosco agreed to buy 412 dry-bulk ships from its parent for 34.6 billion yuan ($5.07 billion) last year. China's economy has grown by at least 10 percent annually since 2002.

``Production will come back to normal as the Olympic games end,'' China Cosco Board secretary Zhang Yongjian said in a phone interview on Sept. 12. ``Freight rates in the fourth quarter are expected to rise significantly. It will boost our full-year revenue.''

In the first half, the company locked in 76 percent of dry- bulk operating days this year and 20 percent for next year.

Shipping Rates

The Baltic Dry Index, a measure of bulk-shipping rates, reached a record high on May 20 and has since plunged 58 percent, partly because China shut factories and steel mills around Beijing to curb pollution during the Olympics.

China, the largest customer for dry-bulk ships, has cut steelmaking as the economy cools.

China's steel consumption is supported by construction of housing after May's earthquake in Sichuan and railways, Zhang said. ``Chinese demand from Brazil and Australia for iron ore and coal still continues to grow steadily.''

( Winston's Comment: The slowdown in property development will decrease the demand for Steel )
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Re: China Cosco 1919

Postby KimHuat » Sat Sep 20, 2008 10:15 am

This one is also my favourite. Any one can throw any light on the relationship or difference between ChinaCosco and Spore Cosco besides their parent/subsidiary relations? Are they in different business sector?
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Re: China Cosco 1919

Postby winston » Sat Sep 20, 2008 10:33 am

Hi Kim Huat,

I dont follow both companies that closely.

However, my understanding is that Cosco ( Singapore ) derives > 90% of their revenues from Shipbuilding, Ship Repair & Marine Engineering.

On the other hand, China Cosco 1919 listed in HK is basically a Shipper, both dry bulks and containers.

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Re: China Cosco 1919

Postby stilicon » Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:41 pm

Hi, winston and everybody else.
I don't know about you, but I have a preference for PACIFIC BASIN (2343.HK) over COSCO (1919.HK). Both are valued as cheaply today, probably based on overly pessimistic previsions for the DBI in 2009. The main difference is PACIFIC BASIN is paying a serious dividend, and pledged to maintain at least a 45:50% pay-out ration. For the long turm, I only favoured dividend-paying companies.
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Re: China Cosco 1919

Postby winston » Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:52 pm

Hi stillcon,

I dont know the Shippers that well. However, I do have some friends that follow the Shipping Industry.

I heard that Pacific Basin is one of the better run companies in the industry with very strong Management.

I'm not vested in Pacific Basin yet.

Take care,
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P/S I still have not got a reply from UOB-Kay Hian despite two mails.
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Re: China Cosco 1919

Postby KimHuat » Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:45 pm

Hi Winston & Stilicon,
Thank you for your info.
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Re: China Cosco 1919

Postby winston » Thu Oct 02, 2008 1:12 pm

China Cosco Has Longest Losing Streak in 19 Months on Dry-Bulk
By Wendy Leung

Oct. 2 (Bloomberg) -- China Cosco Holdings Co., the world's largest operator of iron-ore and coal ships, fell for a seventh straight session, its longest losing streak in almost 19 months, on slowing demand for raw-material shipments to China.

The shipping line slipped as much as 8.3 percent and was down 3.1 percent at HK$6.66 at 11:08 a.m. in Hong Kong trading. The Tianjin, China-based company has plunged 40 percent since Sept. 22.

The Baltic Dry Index, a measure of commodity shipping costs, has dropped for eight days in a row as a housing slowdown in China and global economic turmoil damps demand for iron ore, a key steelmaking ingredient. D/S Norden A/S, Denmark's largest owner of coal, ore and grain ships, yesterday cut its profit forecast, sending its stock to a 21-month low.

``Everyone is waiting for the traditional rebound in rates in the third and fourth quarter, but nothing has come yet,'' said Geoffrey Cheng, a Hong Kong-based Daiwa Institute of Research analyst. ``The dry-bulk index is staying low as China's port inventory for steel is high and demand has weakened.''

Pacific Basin Shipping Ltd., Hong Kong's largest bulk shipping line, fell 4.8 percent to HK$6.00 in the city. Mitsui O.S.K. Lines Ltd., the largest Japanese operator of iron-ore vessels, slipped 2.5 percent to 827 yen in Tokyo.

Steel Prices

Steel mills in China and overseas have begun lowering prices, signaling potential production cuts, Merrill Lynch & Co. analysts led by Vicky Binns said in a report yesterday. Australian iron-ore producers will likely only be able to increase prices 10 percent next year, down from an earlier forecast of 15 percent, they added.

The price of iron ore for immediate delivery in China has fallen to $111 a ton, down from $198 a ton in February. Much of this decline comes from a drop in shipping costs, Merrill said. The Baltic Dry index has fallen 66 percent this year.

Property prices in China climbed at the slowest pace in 18 months in August, as falling stock prices and concerns about economic growth deterred buyers.

Chinese steelmakers have also curbed iron-ore shipments from Brazil because of a pricing dispute with Cia. Vale do Rio Doce, the world's biggest producer. Production has also slowed this week because of national holidays.

Norden dropped 8.8 percent in Copenhagen trading yesterday to 226.75 kroner. The shipping line, based in the Danish capital, traded up 3.2 percent before saying in a stock exchange statement that net income for the year would be $800 million to $880 million, compared with the $950 million to $1.03 billion forecast in August.
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