John Paulson

Re: John Paulson

Postby iam802 » Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:54 am

He is also implicated in the Goldman Sachs law suit.

So, the question now... will he be liquidating any of his funds?

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Re: John Paulson

Postby kennynah » Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:14 am

maybe ask hank to help? 8-)
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Re: John Paulson

Postby helios » Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:32 am

John Paulson 'suffers' from infallacy ....
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Re: John Paulson

Postby LenaHuat » Sat Apr 17, 2010 9:26 am

iam802 wrote:He is also implicated in the Goldman Sachs law suit.

So, the question now... will he be liquidating any of his funds?

How does it works?


I was wondering why gold prices fell last nite. So he, sorry his investors now fear for their $$ of which some 15% is in gold.
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Re: John Paulson

Postby millionairemind » Sat Apr 17, 2010 10:53 am

Plus, US $ strengthened alot against the various currencies GBP and Euro overnight... 10 yr treasuries rallied. :D
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Re: John Paulson

Postby winston » Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:45 am

TOL:-

After hearing the stuff against GS, would you be still sitting around and let John Paulson manage your money or would you pull out your money first and then wait & see ?

If everyone pulls out their money, gold will certainly be hit when he has to sell to meet redemptions.

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Re: John Paulson

Postby winston » Sat Jul 17, 2010 7:47 am

John Paulson puts his legend to the test by Duff McDonald

FORTUNE -- It's tough to be the king. John Paulson, current monarch of hedge funds, is having a challenging year, according to recent press reports. Bloomberg News recently reported that Paulson's $9 billion Advantage fund was down 5.8% in the first six months of the year.

His Advantage Plus fund was down 8.8%. And while his Recovery fund was reportedly up through June, it suffered a 12.4% decline that month. The lone bright spot: his gold fund, up 13% for the year.

This from the man who for a string of years didn't know the meaning of a monthly decline. Arguably the biggest winner of all from the housing crash -- one of his funds returned 590% in 2007 -- Paulson made one of the ballsiest bets in the history of hedge funds and won.

All that kerfuffle about Goldman Sachs (GS, Fortune 500) and the Abacus structure for which the bank settled with the SEC on Thursday? Recall, that was at the behest of Paulson, looking for patsies to take the other side of his bearish housing bets.

And there was no shortage of them. His success: a literal explosion of assets under management from just $12.5 billion in 2007 to $36 billion as of November 2008. His payday in 2007 was a staggering $3.7 billion.

But it is the singular and precise nature of his housing bet that makes one wonder, is John Paulson about to morph from being the most celebrated hedge fund manager of his time to being the poster boy of that oft-repeated warning -- that past performance offers no indication of future results? It's hard to see how this is going to work out any other way.

Paulson, after all, made his bones as a contrarian. Is it even possible to be contrarian with more than $30 billion under management? He sure is trying. Apparently ignoring the fact that no one feels like they have any spare cash these days, Paulson's team has bet big on the highly leveraged casino industry. Yes, you heard that right. He's big into the equity of Harrah's, MGM (MGM, Fortune 500), and Boyd Gaming (BYD), three distressed investments if there ever were any.

"He was dead right being contrarian about subprime," says a rival hedge fund manager specializing in distressed assets. "But there are times when being a contrarian is wrong. I've covered gaming for a decade, and we have the opposite view of these guys. Of course, I'm sure they think they're big enough that they create their own intelligence. Good luck to him, though."

Gold and financials -- not the new subprime

And then there's the gold play. He's been right about it conceptually, of course. His $3 billion position in the SPDR gold trust has certainly paid off. What hasn't? His 12% stake in AngloGold Ashanti (AU), a position he bought in March of 2009 for $32 a share and which has underperformed a more straightforward bet on the physical commodity itself by 12%.

Never mind that the company had been trying to sell the stake for several years and had no takers. Suddenly Paulson was there, flush with cash, perhaps not realizing that a bullish bet on gold did not necessarily equal a bullish bet on a specific gold company. "That will be a fun one to get out of when he changes his mind," says another hedge fund manager.

Paulson's other bet of note is on the U.S. banking industry, a remarkably bullish call on the U.S. economy. He owns shares in Bank of America (BAC, Fortune 500) ($3 billion worth),Citigroup (C, Fortune 500) ($2 billion worth), as well as Suntrust (STI, Fortune 500), JPMorgan Chase (JPM, Fortune 500), Capital One (COF, Fortune 500), and Wells Fargo (WFC, Fortune 500). He's made money on these bets already, riding them up from their March 2008 lows. But to continue owning them in the face of inevitably rising interest rates or a possible double-dip is certainly contrarian. Although some might call it stupid. Of course, they probably said that about him in 2007.

"Look, most people have nice things to say about Paulson," says a competitor. "That said, this is the most obvious crowded trade out there. He is a smart guy with a history of doing well in merger arbitrage with a much smaller fund. He got the one big trade right, and now people seem to think he's an expert at all sorts of other stuff. This is classic return-chasing from people who want to show their own investors that they owned the winner."

In the lingo of Wall Street, John Paulson, who declined to comment for this story, is now so big that he is unable to "put on" or "take off" risk when he feels like it. The AngloGold stake, for example, is probably his to keep from this point onward, unless he's selling it at cut-rate prices.

Should he have retired with his $3.7 billion payday in 2007 and gone into history as one of the best ever? Or is he merely doing that which is economically rational and taking the huge management fees when they're there for the taking?

Whenever he's done, he's going to be a very rich man. But likely more of a mortal than he was in 2009.

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Re: John Paulson

Postby -dol- » Sat Jul 17, 2010 2:54 pm

This is not the first and won't be the last. Go through the long-term records of the so-called gurus - it does not make pretty reading.

Who doesn't have a gangbuster year or two in their lifetime? Make sure we let the whole world know our "genius" and then milk it for all it is worth.

Likely, profits are due to luck and the losses are probably more indicative of actual ability. :mrgreen:
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Re: John Paulson

Postby kennynah » Sat Jul 17, 2010 3:18 pm

you are so right on..dol....

these people sell their "services"... and those who act by only reading their articles, deserve to lose money...
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Re: John Paulson

Postby winston » Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:41 pm

After Several Ugly Months, John Paulson Is Slowly Turning Bearish Again
by Tyler Durden

After an ugly Q2 and a Friday several weeks ago in which the Paulson funds were collectively down by about a billion dollars, the recently overly bullish hedge fund manager has decided to turn just a little more bearish once again.

As The Financial Times reports, the fund has taken down its overall net leverage materially lower across all its funds: "Amid increasing uncertainty over the sustainability of the US recovery and a vicious second quarter that saw many funds hit hard by a spike in market volatility, Paulson & Co has cut its net long bets across almost all its funds.

The $3bn Paulson & Co Recovery fund, which was launched in late 2008 to take advantage of a bounceback of the US housing market and economy, has decreased its net exposure from 140 per cent to 107 per cent in recent weeks, the Financial Times has learnt.

Net exposure is a measure used by hedge fund managers as a gauge of their directional bias, and is calculated by subtracting total short positions from total long positions, with leverage taken into account. Mr Paulson’s flagship Advantage fund, which manages $9bn of client money, has also shrunk its net long exposure from 72.4 per cent to 67.3 per cent.

The more specialist $4.3bn merger arbitrage funds – which make money by trading corporate names engaged in takeover talks – have also scaled down from 58 per cent to 50 per cent."

According to fund of funds managers we have spoken to, the only fund that has performed well over the past several months was the firm's credit fund, with everything else "sucking a**."

Yet when one is $30 billion, and has no nimbleness whatsoever to rotate in and out of positions quietly, the assumption that Paulson can achieve the same types of returns that propelled him to superstardom is very naive.

It is unclear as yet if the bearish portfolio managers who had gotten the sack as recently as three months ago, at the very peak of the 2010 stock market, are also going to get their jobs back as part of the change in market perception.

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