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Re: Noble Group

Postby grandmaster89 » Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:12 am

Musicwhiz wrote:
grandmaster89 wrote:DJ Noble Group Target Raised To S$3.70 Vs S$3.30 By CIMB

DJ Noble Group Target Raised To S$3.50 Vs S$2.65 By JPM


JPMorgan raises Noble (N21.SG) target price to S$3.50 from S$2.65 on earnings upgrades following 3Q09 results. Broker says 3Q09 net profit 32% ahead of JPMorgan forecast as stronger-than-expected performance from energy and metals, minerals & ores (MMO) segments offset weak contribution from agricultural commodities. Raises FY09, FY10, FY11 earnings forecasts by 22%, 23%, 19%, respectively to reflect higher margins at energy and MMO segments and new soybean crushing plant in Argentina. Says, "we could see additional upside risk to FY10/FY11 earnings as various other assets kick in over 2010-2012." Maintains Overweight rating, adds stock to Analyst Focus List. Shares off 0.4% at S$2.82; STI off 0.1%. (KIG)

Ah, can always count on good old analysts to do what they do best - raise target prices ! :lol:

And when the going gets tough, the tough get going. They will issue a report called "Ceasing Coverage" to hide their original mistakes, and to quietly clear up and disappear. When all signs are stable and the company is doing well, miraculously they appear again and "Initiate Coverage".

And people are actually getting paid to do this.......amazing world we live in eh ? :shock:


Haha so true Musicwhiz. If only all jobs were like Analyst - if you are right, you are prophetic and you get tv interviews. If you are wrong, nobody cares and you sweep it under the carpet.

But on a serious note, I do read analyst reports on companies I seek to invest in as they usually contain tib-bits of information or company news. Moreover some of their writings tend to reflect on the entire sector as a whole with information about overseas rivals or commodity prices etc. Its good to read it but just ignore the target price and earnings etc.
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Re: Noble Group

Postby Musicwhiz » Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:14 am

Right, I agree on that part. Just read the facts and figures and ignore the forecasts and target prices. That's the right approach for analysts. ;)
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Re: Noble Group

Postby grandmaster89 » Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:27 am

The founder and CEO of this company is a truly remarkable businessman -

Richard Elman founded this company 2 decades ago with merely his savings of $100,000. Now he holds a 25% stake in the company with market Cap of close to $8 bil.

I wonder whats his return on investment LOL
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Re: Noble Group

Postby Musicwhiz » Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:31 am

grandmaster89 wrote:The founder and CEO of this company is a truly remarkable businessman -

Richard Elman founded this company 2 decades ago with merely his savings of $100,000. Now he holds a 25% stake in the company with market Cap of close to $8 bil.

I wonder whats his return on investment LOL

Well, not trying to pour cold water, but for every successful story there are 9 others who failed and lost all their money. Due to survivorship bias, we tend to only hear the success stories.

And to answer your question, a successful entrepreneur has many multiples in terms of return on investment. This is because he leverages not just his money but also his time, energy and abilities through employees which he hires to work for him. :D
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Re: Noble Group

Postby grandmaster89 » Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:34 am

Musicwhiz wrote:
grandmaster89 wrote:The founder and CEO of this company is a truly remarkable businessman -

Richard Elman founded this company 2 decades ago with merely his savings of $100,000. Now he holds a 25% stake in the company with market Cap of close to $8 bil.

I wonder whats his return on investment LOL

Well, not trying to pour cold water, but for every successful story there are 9 others who failed and lost all their money. Due to survivorship bias, we tend to only hear the success stories.

And to answer your question, a successful entrepreneur has many multiples in terms of return on investment. This is because he leverages not just his money but also his time, energy and abilities through employees which he hires to work for him. :D


But honestly, I was his age of 67. I would cash out (actually when I was 57) and enjoyed a nice long retirement.

I wonder who will succeed him though..One of the cons in Noble investment - Who will succeed Mr Elman...

Btw musicwhiz, Noble Chairman Statements are a must-red. Its unique and pretty funny. Very unlike the local ones.
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Re: Noble Group

Postby Musicwhiz » Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:36 am

Ok, thanks. I will get down to it when I have time. Kinda got my hands full now with analyzing Boustead, Tat Hong and also GRP. China Fishery is releasing in 1.5 weeks time so I will have my hands full till mid-Dec 2009. :?
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Re: Noble Group

Postby grandmaster89 » Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:03 pm

Noble Group Repurchase 71% of 2015 6.625% Notes at USD$488mil.

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Re: Noble Group

Postby winston » Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:18 pm

Not vested. From DMG:-

Initiate with BUY, target price of S$3.36. We forecast Noble Group’s core earnings to grow 39.9% in FY10 as commodity prices and tonnage pick up. We believe that margins will continue to improve following Noble’s investments in production, processing and infrastructure assets to secure long term supplies.

Our target price of S$3.36 is based on 16.1x FY10 P/E which is the average 2010 P/E of Noble’s peers Wilmar, Olam, Bunge and Archer Daniels Midland (ADM).

Rising commodity prices will benefit Noble. ASP has picked up from the low seen earlier in the year. We forecast a 32% drop in ASP for FY09 before bouncing up 11% in FY10 as global commodity prices are expected to rise with the weakening US$. ASP is expected to grow steadily throughout 2010 should there be no adverse shocks to the economy, and this should help to widen margins.

Investments in assets seen as the right move. Noble is expanding their soybean crushing operations in Argentina, doubling crushing capacity to 3m MT annually by Jan 10, as well as sugar and ethanol plants in Brazil, with the Meridiano facility due to be completed in Jun 11, producing 4m MT annually.

These and other facilities under development are expected to further improve tonnage volume. Margins are also expected to improve as they benefit from economies of scale.

Riding on growth in emerging markets. Noble exports a good amount of their key products, in particular soybean, sugar, coal and coke, and iron ore to emerging markets such as China. China imported a net 37m MT of soybean in 2008 and Noble may account for as much as 4% of China’s iron ore imports.

We believe Noble is well positioned to reap long term benefits from these markets. Noble’s key divisions face little demand side risk to the core market they cater to. We believe that their strategy of supplying to high growth markets will allow the company to sustain higher tonnage levels for their divisions over the long term.

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Re: Noble Group

Postby grandmaster89 » Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:35 am

Quiet achiever Noble builds global footprint with stellar growth rate

South China Morning Post
30 Nov 2009


Noble Group is the largest Hong Kong company in terms of revenue, but it is probably better known in Brazil or Argentina, where it has large agriculture operations.

Its profile is a good deal lower than those of many luminaries of the Hang Seng Index, since apart from a brief spell between 1994 and 1996, it has not been listed in Hong Kong and does virtually no business here.


Since listing in Singapore in 1997, where it has been one of the best-performing stocks over the past 10 years, it has made more of a mark. Its market capitalisation was just under US$100 million when it listed and has since grown to US$8.5 billion.


"There wasn't much interest in industrial companies in those days. People were far more interested in real estate," said founder and chief executive Richard Elman.


It is nevertheless one of Hong Kong's few truly global businesses, with 100 offices in 40 countries and 10,000 employees worldwide, of which 450 are in Hong Kong.


The company is a market leader in managing global supply chains of agricultural, industrial and energy products. It sources products such as soyabeans, sugar and rice in low-cost producers such as Brazil and Argentina and transports them to high-demand regions the other side of the world, such as the mainland.


But Noble adds value - and captures the margin - by developing key assets along the supply chain, such as ports, processing plants, ships and financial services. Its agriculture business accounted for 27 per cent of revenue last year.


The company employs a similar strategy for metals, minerals and ores and manages the sourcing and supply of strategic raw materials for industry, such as iron ore, ferro alloys and aluminium and steel. This business division accounts for 17 per cent of revenue. Noble is also a big player in the energy business, which provides 51 per cent of its revenue. It invests in mines and ports and transports coal, coke and clean fuels such as ethanol.


Since 2005, Noble has invested more than US$1 billion in assets to support its supply pipelines.


"In keeping with our hands-on approach, we rarely acquire businesses. We build our own ports and terminals, and we learn how to run crushing plants. There are no short cuts," its 2008 annual report says.


There are few comparable companies in the world with such a high level of integration over such a range of commodities. Swiss firm Glencore International is one, and another is United States firm Cargill.


"We set ourselves a target of 20 per cent growth every year, and we manage to hit it," said Elman.


As an indication of the strength of the business, it maintained this rate of growth right through the turmoil in the financial and commodities markets of the past year and grew shareholders' equity 23 per cent in this year's first nine months.


Although revenues for the period fell 28 per cent, largely as a result of lower commodity prices, net profit was a record US$471 million.


How did this happen?


"We learnt some very substantial lessons during the 1997 Asian financial crisis," said Elman. "Don't overleverage the company, and don't take on unsuitable long-term debt, by building plants, for example, with short-term finance."


As a result, Noble went into the recent crisis with a very strong balance sheet and high levels of cash.


"We continued to trade when others weren't there. We took market share as other people disappeared from the market owing to cash constraints. But we could be aggressive and continue to grow the company."


One of the keys to Noble's success is the attention it gives to risk management. There is a risk dashboard on each executive's computer screen that is updated every day with a range of metrics on the company's underlying exposures.


Elman said this attention to risk enabled the company to see looming reversals in the commodities markets in last year's second quarter, which enabled it to reduce its exposure to counterparties and extend programmes that hedged the company's assets.


"We understand risk - we understand how to value it and know how to sell it - we buy it and move it on as fast as we can," he said.


He said for every big transaction there were about 45 actions that needed to be taken, meaning that there were 45 opportunities for something to go wrong.


"Risk is everything. You can have the best transaction in the world on paper, but if you mess up the execution, then you lose out. I think that first and foremost, as a company, we are a risk manager," he said.


Noble has a risk management department in Hong Kong with 30 people, but there are also risk managers embedded in the company's frontline operations.


It was partly Noble's performance during the past 12 months of financial crisis that has led to it recently being raised to investment grade by rating agencies Moody's Investors Service and Standard & Poor's. It is one of the few firms to be upgraded this year.

"This has completely changed the standing of the company in the market," said Elman. "Major companies that gave us limited credit before give us substantially more now that we are investment grade."


Noble has significantly strengthened its finances in recent months, raising US$850 million with a 10-year bond issue and securing a committed US$2.5 billion revolving credit facility. In addition, it secured US$850 million from one of the world's biggest sovereign wealth funds, China Investment Corp, for a 15 per cent equity stake.


"This was a very significant deal for us, and I think they are going to add a considerable amount of value to Noble in future," said Elman.


He said there was the prospect of jointly investing in agricultural projects.


The stock is trading just off its record high of S$3.08 (HK$17.20) at S$3.07, an increase of 201 per cent so far this year.


With the world's population growing at 3 per cent, Elman reckons it will need at least 3 per cent more food. The company is on course to double in size every five years, a target he is determined to achieve. "It's my vision, it's my aim, and I don't like to fail," he said.
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