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Re: Subprime

Postby millionairemind » Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:27 pm

Northern Rock - American Version... :mrgreen:

Commentary: If the market thinks it will happen, it likely will
Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:18pm EDTPost (Tomi Kilgore is managing editor, TFN - North America, a Thomson Reuters market news service. The opinions expressed here are his own.)

By Tomi Kilgore

NEW YORK (Reuters.com) -- Say what you want about the irrationality of financial markets, but by virtue of their sheer size, what they believe does matter.

If the mass market thinks something will happen, fundamentals can be bullied into fulfilling their prophecy. Remember what happened to Bear Stearns.

Mortgage funding providers Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, which in investors' minds provide the link between the housing crisis and the credit crisis, have been under pressure for some time.

The stocks took a dramatic turn for the worse this week on fears they might run short on capital but on Thursday, the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight tried to soothe investor fears, saying both Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were "adequately capitalized," with capital "well in excess" of requirements.

On Friday, Sen. Christopher Dodd, the Connecticut Democrat who chairs the Senate Banking Committee, declared "there's is no reason for the kind of (stock market) reaction we're getting." (For more, click here )

Trouble is, capital is only as adequate as the market believes it is. At Friday's intraday lows, Freddie had plunged 73 percent and Fannie had tumbled 64 percent in a week.

It's natural for some to think that such a vicious sell-off has an element of capitulation, the Wall Street buzzword for the bell that rings at the bottom.

A sharp midday recovery in the stocks, amid speculation that Freddie and Fannie would be given access to the Federal Reserve's discount window may have enticed some investors to bet on a bottom.

It's worked before; the Fed this year opened up the discount window for investment banks.

Lehman Bros.'s stock tumbled to multi-year lows on March 17 and then bounced sharply on similar news. The stock stabilized for a while, yet then it fell again and was last trading at the lowest prices seen since October 1999.

Investors buy stocks to make money, so until a stock can show the ability to take out resistance levels and make new highs, rather than just stabilize, sellers will return.

Sometimes a stock gets cheap for a good reason. The Japanese like to say: Yasukarou, warukarou (translated as the cheaper something is, the worse it is).

TURNING TO TECHNICALS

Let's take a look at those key resistance levels for the two mortgage agencies: The first resistance level to keep an eye on for Freddie Mac is the gap in the charts between Thursday's high of $8.99 and Wednesday's low of $9.88. For Fannie Mae, it's the gap between Thursday's high of $15.06 and Wednesday's low of $15.13.

That might seem like worthwhile upside potential from current levels, but just getting there isn't enough. As a rule, investors are likely to maintain a sell-on-rally stance until those resistance levels are first surpassed, then prove they can provide support.

For Freddie's stock, levels of any technical importance to the downside is first Friday's low of $3.89, then the all-time low of $2.53 hit in October 1990.

The downside levels to watch for Fannie are the August 1990 low of $6.22, followed by $4.40, which was the highest point of a 1 1/2-year trading range that preceded the January 1998 breakout.

Data that is nearly 20 years old may seem too anachronistic to be support, but they can provide a reference point amid the chaos. The alternative is to say that the only true support is zero.
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Disclaimer - The author may at times own some of the stocks mentioned in this forum. All discussions are NOT to be construed as buy/sell recommendations. Readers are advised to do their own research and analysis.
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Re: Subprime

Postby ishak » Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:00 am

Current situation: Washington Mutual (WM) $3.36 down 32%
2 years ago, it was $45.
Next one to be drag down by rumours?

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Re: Subprime

Postby kennynah » Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:09 am

firesale ongoing man....whoever who dares to buy, and can tahan the wait, shd emerge winner....at ~$3, he downside is that much...n not much more....risk/reward very juicy here :idea:
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Re: Subprime

Postby ishak » Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:18 am

I beg to differ, the downside is possible and no longer unimaginable for WM.
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Re: Subprime

Postby kennynah » Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:41 am

oh yes...sure got chance to drop further...and a max of $3....that's the max risk....
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Re: Subprime

Postby HengHeng » Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:35 am

ya ... just wack .. maybe just consider putting 30k of spare cash into it .. 10 lots maybe multi bagger in the future.
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Re: Subprime

Postby HengHeng » Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:43 am

hmm now set up a bank name called Rupt the best .. just borrow from garmen to buy this kind of broken down banks.
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Re: Subprime

Postby winston » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:11 pm

IMF sticks by $1 trillion U.S. subprime fallout
Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:06am EDT

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The International Monetary Fund is sticking to its estimate that losses on U.S. assets from the subprime crisis and its wider fallout would be about $1 trillion despite fresh U.S. banking problems recently, a senior IMF official said on Wednesday.

"Basically, we think this is a reasonable figure and we are not revising the figure every day," Jaime Caruana, director of the IMF's monetary and capital markets department, told reporters in Brussels.

Earlier he told the European Parliament that the financial system, still suffering from a near year-long credit crisis, may have more difficulty in extending credit needed for the economy to grow.
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Re: Subprime

Postby iam802 » Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:36 pm

China Won’t Sink More Cash into Barclays

http://www.caijing.com.cn/20080716/74896.shtml

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Beijing authorities rejected a plan to increase a policy bank’s stake in the British bank Barclays, which has been shaken by the credit crisis.

By staff reporter Zhang Yuzhe

China’s State Council has rejected a plan floated by China Development Bank (CDB), the nation’s largest policy bank, to pour an additional 136 million pounds into British banking giant Barclays.

The decision, based on government concerns about credit-crisis risk, means the 3.1 percent stake in Barclays that CDB bought last year will be diluted by a new stock offering.

Chinese officials apparently fear Barclays hasn’t yet reached bottom. The bank’s first quarter writedowns of 1 billion pounds pushed its credit-crunch losses to 5 billion pounds.

To raise cash, Barclays this week added three investors – Sumitomo, Japan’s third largest bank, the Qatar Investment Authority, and a Qatar company called Challenger – while issuing new stock worth 4.5 billion pounds.

CDB paid 1.5 billion pounds for its Barclay’s stake in July 2007. Now, without additional investment, CDB sources told Caijing the bank will retain a seat on the Barclay’s board and learn from the experience.

“Compared with investment returns, we are more interested in long-term strategic cooperation” with Barclays, said a CDB official.

While slogging through the credit quagmire, Barclays announced in June the plan to issue 1.6 billion new shares to raise 4.5 billion pounds.

CDB expressed interest in buying 136 million pounds worth of new stock to keep its Barclays stake above 3 percent. But the State Council, China’s cabinet, quashed the plan.

Barclays’ new issuance is priced at 2.83 pound a share – only 40 percent of the 7.2 pounds per share CDB paid a year ago. Recent share prices hovered around 3.30 pounds per share.

Although Beijing authorities encourage Chinese banks and companies to invest overseas, the State Council’s decision indicates that a more conservative approach is taking hold as the global credit crisis deepens.
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Re: Subprime

Postby LenaHuat » Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:53 pm

Makes good sense : Why throw good money after bad.
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